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The Abolition of Regional Spatial Strategies
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| The Abolition of Regional Spatial Strategies | Posted by |
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Starter for ten - if you are on the road to producing your submission core strategy and your current RSS played a major role in shaping what you have done so far, what are you going to do now? |
M Eccles |
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Transfer staff if your appeals team ? |
Peter Stockton |
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Haven't we seen this before, when Regional Planning approaches were changed in the 1990's? At that time, lots of authorities relied on increasingly dated plans, and as the last post suggests, appeal rates increased. |
Stephen Harness |
| Eric Pickles letter if you've not seen it | Posted by |
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John Chantler |
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At Bolton we have just submitted our Core Strategy for examination. And while I suspect Eric Pickles may not fully appreciate that RSS does contain rather more than just housing figures and gypsy site, removing it asap without recognising how it forms a critical part of the whole planning process is at best naive. It will be hard to demonstrate conformity and how the plan works from a regional approach when RSS is no longer in place! Also housing targets such as previously developed land and numbers have been set in RSS and not considered through options during Core Strategy development - might this cause problems and challenges? We need firm and definitive advice from PINS and CLG immediately. Yes authorities may well do sub-regional work but what weight will this have and what processes does it need to go through. At least one GM district is putting its Core Strategy on hold - to see whether any commonsense appears...I forsee huge delays and uncertainties. Given financial pressure many authorities cannot afford to lose work done so far, or step back. Hard to see how any of this will bring forward delivery. |
Andrew Chalmers |
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Better still...Where does it leave you if you've spent a huge amount of time and effort negotiating the LDF process and progressing your Core Strategy to Independent Examination and you're awaiting the Inspector's Report when all this erupts? |
Daniel Hudson |
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Section 79 of the Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Act 2009 sets out the Secretary of State’s reserve power to revoke a regional strategy where the Secretary of State thinks it, necessary or, expedient to do so. |
Roger Comerford |
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Instead of cry on each others shoulders in lamenting the (soon to be?) passing of the RSS process, shouldn't all you experts be taking the initiative and coming up with what you see as a sound replacement? |
Roger Gambba-Jones |
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So a mixed picture of interesting views from around the country (though I think it is a bit unfair to suggest we are all a bit LMF as the contribution from Lincolnshire appears to be saying) but does anyone know when we will get more concrete policy, regulations etc because whether we like the changes or not putting resources into more abortive work is not desirable or beneficial to our employers or communities. By the way does anyone know how we work out a five year supply now? |
M Eccles |
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In terms of the experts taking the initiative and coming up with a sound replacement, I believe that the RTPI, TCPA and POS are working hard on this as we speak. What remains to be seen is how this expert advice is taken. |
Another Planner |
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You may be interested to read my second post on the MIxed Messages emerging from CLG. |
Adam Roake |
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Some LPAs are continuing to submit Core Strategies or other DPDs since Eric Pickles letter was published, with more submissions due in next few weeks. Various others are currently at Examination where Inspectors appear to be seeking views of the relevant LPA and other participants on the letter but continuing with Examinations. Bristol and Castle Point Inspectors are rescheduling Core Strategy appearances on housing to later in the Examination in hope of further clarification from DCLG Ministers on process/timing of abolition of RSS. Minister has the power to revoke whole or part of RSS (posted above) - needless to say some clarity on whether just housing numbers would go initially, or the whole RSS would be helpful ! We may have to wait for emergency budget on 22nd June for confirmation - expectation is lots of announcements to coincide with that. |
Andy Blaxland |
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Some advice from GO (edited for brevity) to St Helens who are just about to submit - though now we see the risks or proceeding as very high! |
Jonathan Noad |
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An interesting development yesterday - the Government reissued PPS3. Its purpose seems to have been to remove references to housing densities and change the definition of PDL. |
Matthew Winslow |
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My thoughts - what a shambles! You make the mistake of looking for logic in this whole exercise. 'They' do not know what our approach to housing delivery should be now, so how on earth should we? |
Another Planner |
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Adam Roake response to my question echoes the observation of "Another Planner" concerning the absence of logic. However my question was prompted by my uncertainty as to which figure to put into the calculation for our annual requirement. Since posing the question the advice from our GO (the same advising Jonathan Noad) is that unless we ahve compelling evidence to the contrary we should stick with the numbers given us by RSS, but that with regard to delivery concerns and our housing trajectory we are now free to back load growth - rather than have a flat-line trajectory. We have always felt that a flexible approach was essential anyway but if our GO has it right - perhaps at last we can have one. |
M Eccles |
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re M Eccles latest, so your GO advice (and you would hope they had some idea!) is that RSS targets are abolished but still use the figures anyway! Makes perfect sense then. |
Adam Roake |
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Re the last question - do we have a robust reason for doing so? - Yes we do thanks. |
M Eccles |
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PINS guidance to Inspectors just published: |
Andy Blaxland |
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Just back to the 5 year supply issue, presumably any back loading of housing numbers would have to be done through a core strategy rather than an annual trajectory done through an AMR? If through a CS then it would clearly take a great deal longer to sort out and doesn't help with the short term position of not having a 5 year supply. What was the specific GONW advice on this? |
Ian Gill |
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Re 5 year supply, that was kind of my thinking. All very well to back-load but you've still got to deal with the first five years, which probably becomes seven or eight when you take the time-lag into account between start and finish of the CS process. |
Adam Roake |
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We are dealing with our five (and 10 and 15 years) supply through our Core Strategy (based on our SHLAA evidence) and we have shown an approach (not contested at PO) to start below the annual average requirement and then to move above it. The GONW advice was pretty much as I set out in my 11:43 post - given in a conversation, so quite brief - are they wrong? |
M Eccles |
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I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the new PPS3. It seems to me that although back gardens are now defined as green field instead of brown field, if they lie within settlement boundaries, where the DPD says that development is acceptable in principle, what has changed? Surely, an application for new dwellings which are in keeping with the character of the area, such as detached houses in an area of detached houses, complies with DPD policies and should be permitted. The object of the amendment to PPS3 must be to prevent what we used to call "town cramming" not to prevent all new development on urban back gardens. |
Jim Bailey |
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I have a real conundrum. We don't have an "Option 1" figure as such - it is essentially the same as the RSS. Our evidence is showing that our RSS target is unachievable anyway as we can't back load our housing trajectory in any way which is realistic and achievable. It looks like we will need to challange our RSS/Option 1 figures on the basis of this evidence. Is anyone else doing this, or already done so? If so, with what joy? |
David Hemmett |
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Peter Village QC's opinion, as reported in Regen and REnewal, on Mr Pickles letter is instructive. |
Adam Roake |
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There is plenty of land with pp - over 10 years supply at last years build rate, and that is the issue. Developers are simply not building enough houses to meet the supply requirement. My assertion that the target is unachievable is based on a increase in completions based on the NHPAU growth predictions, and then 5 years sustained delivery at peak historic volumes. Even then we will be at least 12,000 houses short. Land is only a part of the issue, developer ability and willingness to deliver is a greater problem |
David Hemmett |
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Aside from the PINS guidance and the QC's opinion, I think that the next few months are going to be particualry interesting. What we are looking at is a fundamental clash between yet to amended planning laws and the government. It will be interesting to see what the first test cases are and how they end up being resolved. |
Nathan MLoughlin |
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You may have seen that Eric Pickles has made his first Secretary of State planning decision. Ironically it involves 299 new homes on a Green Belt site in Essex and revolved around whether Thurrock had an identified five year land supply. Pickles granted permission. |
Adam Roake |
| CLG guidance for local authorities on abolition of regional strategies | Posted by |
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Hi All, |
John Chantler |
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Hi All, |
Ian Rowland |
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Hi All, |
Ian Rowland |
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Hi, |
Simon Latimer |
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I too am still waiting for the appropriate order to appear! This is the response that I received on the 9th July from the Development Plans Team at CLG on the matter when asking about where I could view the revocation Order: |
Ian Rowland |
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Ian, |
John Chantler |
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John, |
Ian Rowland |
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Sorry - link to press release should read: |
Ian Rowland |
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John, |
Simon Latimer |
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I've discussed your questions with CLG: |
John Chantler |
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John, |
Simon Latimer |
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Simon, |
Adam Roake |
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Doh! |
Adam Roake |
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Thanks Adam, |
Simon Latimer |
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I assume that a revoked RSS can only be the adopted RSS not a draft? This is actually an important consideration in the East of England where a review had commenced but the Minister has specifically referred to the revoked RSS. |
Phil Morris |
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Just a thought, returning to the topic earlier in this thread. Is anyone contemplating reverting to their draft RSS housing target (the so-called "option 1" figure) as an interim measure pending evidence base work and modelling to determine a final target? |
Andy Duncan |
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Folks - we (Aylesbury Vale) were just at the end of the examination into our Core Strategy when the announcements started to come. As we are in a growth area (and due to the way in which the RSS was done in the SE) we do not have any option 1 figure. If of interest you might wish to see how we are dealing with this - go to www.aylesburyvaledc.gov.uk and follow the link on the front page to Aylesbury Vale Core Strategy Examination, and follow the links to inspectors interim report (the counsil rep is the fourth in the list). It might help on the way in which we are moving, and more will become public for our Council meeting on the 8 Sept. |
andy barton |
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On interim solutions...a phasing idea... |
Lucy Murfett |
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Localism must not miss the bigger picture on planning |
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